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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slrdude wrote:
All in all, great shots.

I'll take a better look later since no numbers makes it tough to CC them...

Couple of quick observations:
The vignetting is too much and it looks like you had way too many filters on your lens. I know that's not the case, but it's distracting.
If you want to keep that effect, I suggest feathering it heavily to achieve a nice fade that will draw the eye to the subject. I use that at times, but it should never distract.

On the one with the green walls and the see behind, I would darken the green walls. My eyes jump back and forth and are not sure where to look.

On the girl pics, do not flip it. The writing is now mirrored and it kinda jumps at you. Her pose is also unnatural looking due to the flip and your eyes and brain sense that.
As far as composition, like AJ said, there is a bit too much space and that makes it hard to figure out what it is. Is it a pier shot with a girl in it? Is it a girl on the pier? Is it one of those "I've been there" shots? Don't let subjects fight for attention.

All in all, very very good shots buddy!


great comments and insight, thanks    
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slrdude wrote:
All in all, great shots.

I'll take a better look later since no numbers makes it tough to CC them...

Couple of quick observations:
The vignetting is too much and it looks like you had way too many filters on your lens. I know that's not the case, but it's distracting.
If you want to keep that effect, I suggest feathering it heavily to achieve a nice fade that will draw the eye to the subject. I use that at times, but it should never distract.

On the one with the green walls and the see behind, I would darken the green walls. My eyes jump back and forth and are not sure where to look.

On the girl pics, do not flip it. The writing is now mirrored and it kinda jumps at you. Her pose is also unnatural looking due to the flip and your eyes and brain sense that.
As far as composition, like AJ said, there is a bit too much space and that makes it hard to figure out what it is. Is it a pier shot with a girl in it? Is it a girl on the pier? Is it one of those "I've been there" shots? Don't let subjects fight for attention.

All in all, very very good shots buddy!


See that's why I should keep my gob shut...good work!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing, have you ever played with curves?
Curves are critical at making an image "pop" and they are the proper way to achieve that look. Most people do that by messing with contrast or brightness, which is not the best option as it results in blown areas and/or loss of details.

Here is a quick example.
I am not saying that my version is better than yours, it is simply a one minute job to see what curves can do to your image.

Before.



After a quick curves adjustment.


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The last time I tried playing with curves, she slapped me.  
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The last time I tried playing with curves, she slapped me.  


I hear you buddy...
I tend to get much luckier with PS curves!!  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slrdude wrote:
Another thing, have you ever played with curves?
Curves are critical at making an image "pop" and they are the proper way to achieve that look. Most people do that by messing with contrast or brightness, which is not the best option as it results in blown areas and/or loss of details.

Here is a quick example.
I am not saying that my version is better than yours, it is simply a one minute job to see what curves can do to your image.

Before.





After a quick curves adjustment.



interesting is curves a software programme on Photoshop?. I have a Mac so my software is limited to that,

This colour adjustment is very interesting. My wife thinks many of the images I have adjusted are over saturated and does not like them as they don't look natural. But it does make them pop more.

The example you have given gives a totally different look. I took the photo just after sunrise when there was a slight mist. Its food for thought though. Thanks for taking the time to give input I am finding all of this very interesting

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd post a pic but my polaroid is still waiting to develop.

Time to do a bit more flapping and blowing...

Then once I'm done with Bubbsy I'll see if my picture came out!!!!

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interesting is curves a software programme on Photoshop?. I have a Mac so my software is limited to that,

This colour adjustment is very interesting. My wife thinks many of the images I have adjusted are over saturated and does not like them as they don't look natural. But it does make them pop more.

The example you have given gives a totally different look. I took the photo just after sunrise when there was a slight mist. Its food for thought though. Thanks for taking the time to give input I am finding all of this very interesting


Curves are in Photoshop, I alter levels a lot to get the same results.  I downloaded Photoshop Elements 8 yesterday and installed it on my MacBook.  I'd say it has 90% of what I use in Photoshop CS4 and I'd recommend it.  
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Martin,

I could actually tell that it was a misty morning, and to be honest, it made me want to be there instead of surrounded by the Dallas skyscrapers.    

Mist is an interesting phenomenon, and it works best when it is localized. And by that I mean just in certain parts of the image. Mist all over like you have in your image can easily come across as a foggy lens to the untrained eye. When on location, your brain knows what it is, compensates for it and tells you that is a wonder of nature and it is a picture worth taking.
Too bad the sensor is dumb and it will just capture a beautiful landscape through what might look as a foggy lens.

It's one of those decisions you have to make when you do your post processing.

If you use Photoshop, curves are located in the Image-->Adjustments menu and once you open it it looks like a square with a line going diagonally through it from bottom left to top right and it should be straight as an arrow. Flat. As shot.

What you want to do is make it look like a bit on an S. Grab the line about half way between the mid point and top right corner and drag it UP slightly to where it looks pleasing. This will increase your detail, especially in the dark areas.
Do the same thing with the bottom half, but drag it DOWN. That will increase the tonal range and the overall contrast of the image and give it that pop.

If you think about it, you eye compensates for all those things when you look at the scene while the camera can not. And this is why many times when you look at the image you wonder... is this the same scene? What happened to... (insert missing element here).

Those are just some general observations. The vast majority of your pictures are outstanding and it does not take a rocket scientist to see that you have a great eye, and you should never give this up.        
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Curves are in Photoshop, I alter levels a lot to get the same results.  I downloaded Photoshop Elements 8 yesterday and installed it on my MacBook.  I'd say it has 90% of what I use in Photoshop CS4 and I'd recommend it.  


Levels are critical as well, but they give a slightly different result.
You want to always check your levels in order to ensure a proper exposure and to a certain extent, colour balance.

This is what I do to every picture:
Levels.
Curves.
Saturation.
Unsharp Mask.
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uncle aj wrote:


Curves are in Photoshop, I alter levels a lot to get the same results.  I downloaded Photoshop Elements 8 yesterday and installed it on my MacBook.  I'd say it has 90% of what I use in Photoshop CS4 and I'd recommend it.  


Levels are critical as well, but they give a slightly different result.
You want to always check your levels in order to ensure a proper exposure and to a certain extent, colour balance.

This is what I do to every picture:
Levels.
Curves.
Saturation.
Unsharp Mask.


That's very close to what I do, except I have not got the hang of curves yet but I'll practise more.  
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Adrian,

I am a big fan of never altering the original image due to the data loss that occurs every time a change is made.

The proper way to do this is to go to Layer--> New-->Adjustment Layer and make all your changes this way. Make a new layer for levels... one for curves... one for saturation... one for luminosity etc. Flatten ONCE and apply the Unsharp Mask. That's always the LAST thing you do to an image.

I think you will like playing with curves!    
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Adrian,

I am a big fan of never altering the original image due to the data loss that occurs every time a change is made.

The proper way to do this is to go to Layer--> New-->Adjustment Layer and make all your changes this way. Make a new layer for levels... one for curves... one for saturation... one for luminosity etc. Flatten ONCE and apply the Unsharp Mask. That's always the LAST thing you do to an image.

I think you will like playing with curves!    


I work on RAW files Chip so the image loss does not occur and I learned very early on to use unsharp mask last.  I must admit, I have not tried making different layers for saturation, luminosity etc.  Thanks for the tip.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also work in RAW and I do 90% of my work in Lightroom.
Honestly, Lightroom has no equal when it comes to what it can do and it is a dream come true.
My work flow takes 80% less time than it does with PS.
About the only time I use PS is... well... I hardly ever use PS anymore   .

I am at work now and I all I have here is PS 7, which is a relic.  
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I also work in RAW and I do 90% of my work in Lightroom.
Honestly, Lightroom has no equal when it comes to what it can do and it is a dream come true.
My work flow takes 80% less time than it does with PS.
About the only time I use PS is... well... I hardly ever use PS anymore   .

I am at work now and I all I have here is PS 7, which is a relic.  


Funny, I tried Lightroom and didn't like it.  I didn't like the way it imported all you pictures and then there was no save as function.  I like to work on each picture individually so I binned it.  
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